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		<title>By: Docunext Tech Stuff Archive &#187; Microsoft license types</title>
		<link>http://www.vladville.com/2006/01/microsoft-piracy-live-long-and-prosper.html/comment-page-1#comment-19335</link>
		<dc:creator>Docunext Tech Stuff Archive &#187; Microsoft license types</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2007 15:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This better blog entry about Microsoft NFR products makes it clear that selling an NFR product is illegitimate. Strangely enough, there are many online retails that sell these items. Could it be that Microsoft cannot prohibit the actual sale of the item, but instead can only prohibit the installation of a piece of software that is transferred via a sale, making the installation and use of such software illegal. Good question for a lawyer - remember the information in this post is simply my notes, nothing else. But that raises another question - can NFR products be used for replacement media? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This better blog entry about Microsoft NFR products makes it clear that selling an NFR product is illegitimate. Strangely enough, there are many online retails that sell these items. Could it be that Microsoft cannot prohibit the actual sale of the item, but instead can only prohibit the installation of a piece of software that is transferred via a sale, making the installation and use of such software illegal. Good question for a lawyer &#8211; remember the information in this post is simply my notes, nothing else. But that raises another question &#8211; can NFR products be used for replacement media? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: randy</title>
		<link>http://www.vladville.com/2006/01/microsoft-piracy-live-long-and-prosper.html/comment-page-1#comment-12823</link>
		<dc:creator>randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 08:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you guys need to get a clue, read the law what they do is legal. microsoft could change the rules but dont. you waste your time talking about things because you are not smart enough to compete in the market that microsoft has created. get a life, make your money and dont worry what others are doing that the courts have said can be done</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you guys need to get a clue, read the law what they do is legal. microsoft could change the rules but dont. you waste your time talking about things because you are not smart enough to compete in the market that microsoft has created. get a life, make your money and dont worry what others are doing that the courts have said can be done</p>
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		<title>By: Vlad Mazek&#8217;s IT Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; NFR Software: Would you like KY with that?</title>
		<link>http://www.vladville.com/2006/01/microsoft-piracy-live-long-and-prosper.html/comment-page-1#comment-1458</link>
		<dc:creator>Vlad Mazek&#8217;s IT Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; NFR Software: Would you like KY with that?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Apr 2006 00:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Last paragraph is not for the faint of heart, you&#039;ve been warned. Eric Ligman, the only person at Microsoft capable of explaining licensing, has posted about the NFR software and the few famous posts that we&#039;ve drilled Microsoft over. He&#039;s in a firing mood, hopefully none of the PCM&#039;s get on his bad side today. To sum it up, he explains exactly what you&#039;re buying with the now infamous offer by Surplus Computers, which by the way still has SBS Premium available for $169. Eric breaks the offer down and explains what you&#039;re buying. Pretty entertaining read, even if you&#039;re not excited by Licensing. I do have a comment and a suggestion: Comment: It&#039;s not the Small Business Specialist going into the shop and selling SBS NFR to the customer. It&#039;s the customer hiring the Small Business Specialist to come and install SBS they purchased online. Illegal? You bet. But that Small Business Consultant has to eat. Will he starve for Bill Gates and walk away from the questionable (and illegal) software license, or will he turn the blind eye to how the software ended up in the customers hands and just finish configuring the network for the DIY business owner? Thats a bet for Microsoft to answer, considering the Surplus Computer still has this item on sale it appears clear that there may not be a punishment for this. Are you starting to see the problem with the NFR software now? Even if you are a bystander, everything you do and touch has a percieved value. Let&#039;s say you looked away as they installed $1,500 worth of software for $169. What do you think your chances are on upselling this client the time upgrade cycle comes around? Furthermore, what are your chances of collecting on the large job from that client when you already know they are a thief. Think they&#039;ll stop at taking money from Bill Gates? Ethics and integrity tend to disagree. Question: $150,000? What $150,000? The assumption that there is the $150,000 penalty for piracy is largely ignored by the business owner because there doesn&#039;t appear to be any punishment. Let me quote my college law professor: &quot;Law is only as valid as its enforcement.&quot; - Robert Emerson [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Last paragraph is not for the faint of heart, you&#39;ve been warned. Eric Ligman, the only person at Microsoft capable of explaining licensing, has posted about the NFR software and the few famous posts that we&#39;ve drilled Microsoft over. He&#39;s in a firing mood, hopefully none of the PCM&#39;s get on his bad side today. To sum it up, he explains exactly what you&#39;re buying with the now infamous offer by Surplus Computers, which by the way still has SBS Premium available for $169. Eric breaks the offer down and explains what you&#39;re buying. Pretty entertaining read, even if you&#39;re not excited by Licensing. I do have a comment and a suggestion: Comment: It&#39;s not the Small Business Specialist going into the shop and selling SBS NFR to the customer. It&#39;s the customer hiring the Small Business Specialist to come and install SBS they purchased online. Illegal? You bet. But that Small Business Consultant has to eat. Will he starve for Bill Gates and walk away from the questionable (and illegal) software license, or will he turn the blind eye to how the software ended up in the customers hands and just finish configuring the network for the DIY business owner? Thats a bet for Microsoft to answer, considering the Surplus Computer still has this item on sale it appears clear that there may not be a punishment for this. Are you starting to see the problem with the NFR software now? Even if you are a bystander, everything you do and touch has a percieved value. Let&#39;s say you looked away as they installed $1,500 worth of software for $169. What do you think your chances are on upselling this client the time upgrade cycle comes around? Furthermore, what are your chances of collecting on the large job from that client when you already know they are a thief. Think they&#39;ll stop at taking money from Bill Gates? Ethics and integrity tend to disagree. Question: $150,000? What $150,000? The assumption that there is the $150,000 penalty for piracy is largely ignored by the business owner because there doesn&#39;t appear to be any punishment. Let me quote my college law professor: &quot;Law is only as valid as its enforcement.&quot; &#8211; Robert Emerson [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Vlad</title>
		<link>http://www.vladville.com/2006/01/microsoft-piracy-live-long-and-prosper.html/comment-page-1#comment-922</link>
		<dc:creator>Vlad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2006 07:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Little update over what happened today, you are NOT going to believe this:

Ok now I have seen everything. A follow-up call to client made my jaw drop to the floor.

Sometime yesterday, client called Microsoft spoke with someone about what he needs. Somehow the rep at Microsoft got this DOCTOR pointed in the direction of the ACTION PACK subscription which would give him SQL. Client says he is all signed up and waiting for it to come.

This guy is in no means an IT provider. He is a doctor. He runs an urgent care center, and has a second center being constructed a few miles away, and plans to use the ACTION PACK to run everything. 

How the hell did that happen?

I have a meeting with him at noon on Monday. Who wants to join me?

Thanks,

Judd Spence</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Little update over what happened today, you are NOT going to believe this:</p>
<p>Ok now I have seen everything. A follow-up call to client made my jaw drop to the floor.</p>
<p>Sometime yesterday, client called Microsoft spoke with someone about what he needs. Somehow the rep at Microsoft got this DOCTOR pointed in the direction of the ACTION PACK subscription which would give him SQL. Client says he is all signed up and waiting for it to come.</p>
<p>This guy is in no means an IT provider. He is a doctor. He runs an urgent care center, and has a second center being constructed a few miles away, and plans to use the ACTION PACK to run everything. </p>
<p>How the hell did that happen?</p>
<p>I have a meeting with him at noon on Monday. Who wants to join me?</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Judd Spence</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.vladville.com/2006/01/microsoft-piracy-live-long-and-prosper.html/comment-page-1#comment-921</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2006 05:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder how big of a part the confusion in licensing leads to (inadvertent) piracy of software. There have been times where the customer just got fed up with the license ordering and went the OEM route just because it was easier.

I too would like to see something done both to stop the piracy and to help partners do this easier. Sadly, I do not feel very confident in Microsoft&#039;s piracy protection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how big of a part the confusion in licensing leads to (inadvertent) piracy of software. There have been times where the customer just got fed up with the license ordering and went the OEM route just because it was easier.</p>
<p>I too would like to see something done both to stop the piracy and to help partners do this easier. Sadly, I do not feel very confident in Microsoft&#8217;s piracy protection.</p>
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		<title>By: Hilton Travis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hilton Travis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 22:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Vlad,

I&#039;ve been a stickler for Microsoft&#039;s Licensing rules and regs for years - I don&#039;t necessarily agree with all of their conditions, but I abide by them.

As a Microsoft Partner and Small Business Specialist, I feel that if we try to dodge around MS Licensing, then we are only hurting ourselves and our industry.

Companies like these pirates need to made a public point of - they need to be sued until they are bankrupt - they degrade the IT industry, the companys whose products they are pirating and those of us who are playing by the rules are ultimately the ones who get stomped on.

I&#039;ve reported a number of pirates to Microsoft and others where appropriate - piracy is theft, theft is a crime, and companies promoting this criminal activity need to be closed down.

The issue I have is that Microsoft seems to take this issue less seriously then their resellers do - report someone to Microsoft and they say (basically) &quot;Thanks, but we can&#039;t tell you what we&#039;re going to do - that&#039;s classified information&quot;.  That&#039;s bullshit.

If we report a criminal to Microsoft, we should be kept informed of the progress of the prosecution of these criminals.  That&#039;s fair.  As should the public - maybe when the proceedings have finished - but we should all be informed of each and every case that Microsoft (and any other manufacturers) have made against criminals who are stealing their software and our livelihoods.

Piracy is a crime - and those who commit this crime, as with those who create viruses, spam and phishing scams need to be dealt with accordingly.  Public flogging and throwing rotten fruit and vegetables went out over a hundred years ago - after these people are bankrupted, I think that is the next step in their punishment - we ALL get to have a go at them this way.

- HiltonT</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Vlad,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been a stickler for Microsoft&#8217;s Licensing rules and regs for years &#8211; I don&#8217;t necessarily agree with all of their conditions, but I abide by them.</p>
<p>As a Microsoft Partner and Small Business Specialist, I feel that if we try to dodge around MS Licensing, then we are only hurting ourselves and our industry.</p>
<p>Companies like these pirates need to made a public point of &#8211; they need to be sued until they are bankrupt &#8211; they degrade the IT industry, the companys whose products they are pirating and those of us who are playing by the rules are ultimately the ones who get stomped on.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve reported a number of pirates to Microsoft and others where appropriate &#8211; piracy is theft, theft is a crime, and companies promoting this criminal activity need to be closed down.</p>
<p>The issue I have is that Microsoft seems to take this issue less seriously then their resellers do &#8211; report someone to Microsoft and they say (basically) &#8220;Thanks, but we can&#8217;t tell you what we&#8217;re going to do &#8211; that&#8217;s classified information&#8221;.  That&#8217;s bullshit.</p>
<p>If we report a criminal to Microsoft, we should be kept informed of the progress of the prosecution of these criminals.  That&#8217;s fair.  As should the public &#8211; maybe when the proceedings have finished &#8211; but we should all be informed of each and every case that Microsoft (and any other manufacturers) have made against criminals who are stealing their software and our livelihoods.</p>
<p>Piracy is a crime &#8211; and those who commit this crime, as with those who create viruses, spam and phishing scams need to be dealt with accordingly.  Public flogging and throwing rotten fruit and vegetables went out over a hundred years ago &#8211; after these people are bankrupted, I think that is the next step in their punishment &#8211; we ALL get to have a go at them this way.</p>
<p>- HiltonT</p>
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		<title>By: Manuel Rabell</title>
		<link>http://www.vladville.com/2006/01/microsoft-piracy-live-long-and-prosper.html/comment-page-1#comment-919</link>
		<dc:creator>Manuel Rabell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 21:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just today I recieve an e-mail (spam) with the following link:

http://llnnsq.electrozero.info/?18596792

I just can believe this producs are sold for such low price and not be NFR</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just today I recieve an e-mail (spam) with the following link:</p>
<p><a href="http://llnnsq.electrozero.info/?18596792" rel="nofollow">http://llnnsq.electrozero.info/?18596792</a></p>
<p>I just can believe this producs are sold for such low price and not be NFR</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.vladville.com/2006/01/microsoft-piracy-live-long-and-prosper.html/comment-page-1#comment-918</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is not only ironic but a sign of a true problem when these discussions on Yahoo lists append the advertisement for the illegal OEM license, when even Vlad&#039;s very site uses Google ads promoting illegal software.

This is a big problem and Vlad, thank you for bringing this up. I too have sent criminals to Microsoft over the years and it was ignored. If this is not solved, and soon, this will not be a problem but a norm because as much as I talk about the importance of legitimate software there are more ads, web sites, emails and spam indicating otherwise and Microsoft is strangely silent on the issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is not only ironic but a sign of a true problem when these discussions on Yahoo lists append the advertisement for the illegal OEM license, when even Vlad&#8217;s very site uses Google ads promoting illegal software.</p>
<p>This is a big problem and Vlad, thank you for bringing this up. I too have sent criminals to Microsoft over the years and it was ignored. If this is not solved, and soon, this will not be a problem but a norm because as much as I talk about the importance of legitimate software there are more ads, web sites, emails and spam indicating otherwise and Microsoft is strangely silent on the issue.</p>
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		<title>By: OT Orlando</title>
		<link>http://www.vladville.com/2006/01/microsoft-piracy-live-long-and-prosper.html/comment-page-1#comment-917</link>
		<dc:creator>OT Orlando</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to thank people at Microsoft that are concerned with piracy. I have seen posts from Eric Ligmen and Rene Alamo on our list. Thank you for being concerned and protecting our common interest.

I wish that you could be louder. I know you are working on it behind the curtain but to us it appears as if nothing is being done. Report is filed and thats the end of the road. I have been reporting people for years and not a single one has been reprimanded.

This process needs more transparency, more task force orientation. Tell us who you are pursuing. Tell us who the illegal operations are. Give me something I can show my customer when they borwse the web and find a $60 office. Right now I do not have the tools to fight piracy and I do not have the tools to fight the perception that there is no penalty for piracy of Microsoft software.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to thank people at Microsoft that are concerned with piracy. I have seen posts from Eric Ligmen and Rene Alamo on our list. Thank you for being concerned and protecting our common interest.</p>
<p>I wish that you could be louder. I know you are working on it behind the curtain but to us it appears as if nothing is being done. Report is filed and thats the end of the road. I have been reporting people for years and not a single one has been reprimanded.</p>
<p>This process needs more transparency, more task force orientation. Tell us who you are pursuing. Tell us who the illegal operations are. Give me something I can show my customer when they borwse the web and find a $60 office. Right now I do not have the tools to fight piracy and I do not have the tools to fight the perception that there is no penalty for piracy of Microsoft software.</p>
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