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		<title>By: Welcome to the Blogosphere &#124; Netlink IT</title>
		<link>http://www.vladville.com/2007/10/two-more-windows-mobile-phones-you-shouldnt-buy.html/comment-page-1#comment-57301</link>
		<dc:creator>Welcome to the Blogosphere &#124; Netlink IT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 13:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: GWSmith</title>
		<link>http://www.vladville.com/2007/10/two-more-windows-mobile-phones-you-shouldnt-buy.html/comment-page-1#comment-25182</link>
		<dc:creator>GWSmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 02:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hm. Generic Treo 750s now get WM5 -&gt; WM6

http://blogs.msdn.com/jasonlan/archive/2007/10/30/treo-750-and-treo-750v-windows-mobile-6-upgrade.aspx

Somehow, I&#039;m not too confident that the 700wx will get an update, but this is a step in the right direction...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hm. Generic Treo 750s now get WM5 -&gt; WM6</p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.msdn.com/jasonlan/archive/2007/10/30/treo-750-and-treo-750v-windows-mobile-6-upgrade.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.msdn.com/jasonlan/archive/2007/10/30/treo-750-and-treo-750v-windows-mobile-6-upgrade.aspx</a></p>
<p>Somehow, I&#8217;m not too confident that the 700wx will get an update, but this is a step in the right direction&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: vlad</title>
		<link>http://www.vladville.com/2007/10/two-more-windows-mobile-phones-you-shouldnt-buy.html/comment-page-1#comment-25175</link>
		<dc:creator>vlad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 12:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eh, someone has to throw those poor suckers a bone, they pay a lot more than you and me for bandwidth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eh, someone has to throw those poor suckers a bone, they pay a lot more than you and me for bandwidth.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
		<link>http://www.vladville.com/2007/10/two-more-windows-mobile-phones-you-shouldnt-buy.html/comment-page-1#comment-25173</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 07:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s funny how AU has the update and the USA doesn&#039;t.

I thought we were the free country and they came from the penal colony?

Once again that OEM relationship is making the hurt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s funny how AU has the update and the USA doesn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>I thought we were the free country and they came from the penal colony?</p>
<p>Once again that OEM relationship is making the hurt.</p>
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		<title>By: vlad</title>
		<link>http://www.vladville.com/2007/10/two-more-windows-mobile-phones-you-shouldnt-buy.html/comment-page-1#comment-25168</link>
		<dc:creator>vlad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stacey,

That seems worse to me. Imagine telling a business they can have a feature set in Q2 when AT&amp;T is set to release WM6 for Blackjack and Palm 750. Then that same story in Q3. Then the same story in August, September, October and still nothing. Then the business owner asks you in November, seeing how the OEM released the damn thing for every language under the sun...... why don&#039;t we have it yet?

&quot;Uhhhh.... Because you made a poor choice of telco provider?&quot;

Telling people they are on the wrong network is like selling bibles in the whorehouse.

-Vlad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stacey,</p>
<p>That seems worse to me. Imagine telling a business they can have a feature set in Q2 when AT&#038;T is set to release WM6 for Blackjack and Palm 750. Then that same story in Q3. Then the same story in August, September, October and still nothing. Then the business owner asks you in November, seeing how the OEM released the damn thing for every language under the sun&#8230;&#8230; why don&#8217;t we have it yet?</p>
<p>&#8220;Uhhhh&#8230;. Because you made a poor choice of telco provider?&#8221;</p>
<p>Telling people they are on the wrong network is like selling bibles in the whorehouse.</p>
<p>-Vlad</p>
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		<title>By: StaceyCochran</title>
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		<dc:creator>StaceyCochran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 19:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At least AT&amp;T has said they plan on offering updates, Sprint and Verizon have said no.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least AT&amp;T has said they plan on offering updates, Sprint and Verizon have said no.</p>
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		<title>By: vlad</title>
		<link>http://www.vladville.com/2007/10/two-more-windows-mobile-phones-you-shouldnt-buy.html/comment-page-1#comment-25166</link>
		<dc:creator>vlad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 17:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not know that I would eliminate Exchange and replace with Blackberry, I am just adjusting our risk here by not recommending Windows Mobile anymore and presenting the facts that the costs are going to be at the rate of about $500 a year or so in order to keep the latest feature set and that the feature set dies with the mobile with no upgrades to be expected.

On the flip site, if only dumb email is needed Blackberry has proven itself there but will require additional server and $100 per device to sync with Microsoft Exchange.

Any lead that Microsoft had on Blackberry, which at least in my opinion was astronomical, has all but vanished with the latest carrier restrictions, lack of handset upgrades and interest in other platforms.

Internally, this is a painful item because this means we now need to be capable of supporting multiple platforms which means paying more out of my pocket for training and specializations and another partner in the mix.

All I know is, I will not recommend Windows Mobile over any other platform anymore until Microsoft does something about it. They will not, but since the 2.5 people that actually face the customer don&#039;t have any way to make a difference hopefully this gets escalated upwards and gives a business case to equal support of platform components.

-Vlad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not know that I would eliminate Exchange and replace with Blackberry, I am just adjusting our risk here by not recommending Windows Mobile anymore and presenting the facts that the costs are going to be at the rate of about $500 a year or so in order to keep the latest feature set and that the feature set dies with the mobile with no upgrades to be expected.</p>
<p>On the flip site, if only dumb email is needed Blackberry has proven itself there but will require additional server and $100 per device to sync with Microsoft Exchange.</p>
<p>Any lead that Microsoft had on Blackberry, which at least in my opinion was astronomical, has all but vanished with the latest carrier restrictions, lack of handset upgrades and interest in other platforms.</p>
<p>Internally, this is a painful item because this means we now need to be capable of supporting multiple platforms which means paying more out of my pocket for training and specializations and another partner in the mix.</p>
<p>All I know is, I will not recommend Windows Mobile over any other platform anymore until Microsoft does something about it. They will not, but since the 2.5 people that actually face the customer don&#8217;t have any way to make a difference hopefully this gets escalated upwards and gives a business case to equal support of platform components.</p>
<p>-Vlad</p>
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		<title>By: julesw</title>
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		<dc:creator>julesw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 17:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, can I ask, what would you do for the mobile email solution? 

Or just cling on to your Blackjack for the moment??

I know over here in the UK the networks are screwing us over a bit with things re: upgrades.
TMobile wont give me WM6 for my MDA 2, as it wants to sell me the MDA3 instead, but because I am out of my upgrade loop they want to do me hard for the price of the handset.

And in the case of someone else I know, they wont even let him buy it sim free...

Ahoy ebay I say!

What do you make of Blackberries / BES then as competiion? something for MS to be wary of? Or just not unified enough to be a significant threat?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, can I ask, what would you do for the mobile email solution? </p>
<p>Or just cling on to your Blackjack for the moment??</p>
<p>I know over here in the UK the networks are screwing us over a bit with things re: upgrades.<br />
TMobile wont give me WM6 for my MDA 2, as it wants to sell me the MDA3 instead, but because I am out of my upgrade loop they want to do me hard for the price of the handset.</p>
<p>And in the case of someone else I know, they wont even let him buy it sim free&#8230;</p>
<p>Ahoy ebay I say!</p>
<p>What do you make of Blackberries / BES then as competiion? something for MS to be wary of? Or just not unified enough to be a significant threat?</p>
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		<title>By: vlad</title>
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		<dc:creator>vlad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 17:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Highly, highly unlikely..

For example, Samsung BlackJack and Palm 750 has been on the Windows Mobile 6 deck for months now, even Samsung has made the upgrade available in every flavor and language... sans AT&amp;T.

Meanwhile AT&amp;T has been pushing these back while introducing new products featuring WM6, like BlackJack II. Supposedly you will see Palm 750 with WM6 upgrade on Oct 30, Blackjack a few days later.

Of note, November 14th is when they will launch new WM6 phones as the &quot;first smartphones to have WM6 on them&quot; so I am not sure if that speels doom and gloom.

Either way, AT&amp;T forums have 100+ post threads on the consumer outrage over these things, I do not believe they are concerned about that at all.

-Vlad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Highly, highly unlikely..</p>
<p>For example, Samsung BlackJack and Palm 750 has been on the Windows Mobile 6 deck for months now, even Samsung has made the upgrade available in every flavor and language&#8230; sans AT&#038;T.</p>
<p>Meanwhile AT&#038;T has been pushing these back while introducing new products featuring WM6, like BlackJack II. Supposedly you will see Palm 750 with WM6 upgrade on Oct 30, Blackjack a few days later.</p>
<p>Of note, November 14th is when they will launch new WM6 phones as the &#8220;first smartphones to have WM6 on them&#8221; so I am not sure if that speels doom and gloom.</p>
<p>Either way, AT&#038;T forums have 100+ post threads on the consumer outrage over these things, I do not believe they are concerned about that at all.</p>
<p>-Vlad</p>
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		<title>By: GWSmith</title>
		<link>http://www.vladville.com/2007/10/two-more-windows-mobile-phones-you-shouldnt-buy.html/comment-page-1#comment-25163</link>
		<dc:creator>GWSmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 17:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One reason I&#039;ve liked the Palm devices - you *could* update them ; waiting to see if I&#039;m going to get a WM6 update for my near-new Treo 700wx on Verizon Mobile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One reason I&#8217;ve liked the Palm devices &#8211; you *could* update them ; waiting to see if I&#8217;m going to get a WM6 update for my near-new Treo 700wx on Verizon Mobile.</p>
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