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Cultural expectations of toll free numbers
Posted: 3:35 pm
April 4th, 2008
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IT Business, Vladville

One of the fun parts of running a global business is trying to adjust to the different cultural and business expectations of different countries. If you’ve ever worked with the people from the far east you know what I mean, but sometimes even the most inconsequential items tend to make a difference.

In United States, companies are expected to offer toll free numbers, for everything. Unless you want to be bundled into the “I work from my spare bathroom” and “Ask me about making $2K a week from home painted on the back window of my car” types of companies, you spend the extra $8 a month and get a toll free number. It is more than a business identity that separates real companies from scammers on prepaid cell phones, it is an expectation set long ago that customers contacting the company for service should not do so at their own expense. It’s a matter of courtesy, an invitation if you will. Don’t think about the long distance charges, just call us, we’ll foot the bill. Yes, we’ll eat all 6 cents of it to earn hundreds of dollars in business. It’s just good business.

Brits don’t see it quite that way. Totally opposite, actually. Earlier today I was setting up the UK trunks for Shockey Monkey support and the UK telco offered me 0800, 0845 along with every city code in UK. Naturally confused I called one of my partners, James Cash, and asked about the dialing options (and opinions). Apparently, unlike in US, UK companies tend not put a lot of emphasis on toll free use:

0870 is quite expensive to call and should be avoided, 0800 is free to call, 0845 is local rate. I’m pretty sure that 0870 and 0845 are being phased out and replaced by 0844 numbers

Thinking that James may be messing with me I decided to ring up the telco. They said the very same: “Unless you are purely interested in making a sale, 0800 numbers are very few and far in between.

Talk about the opposite world on something so little. What generally indicates a shady operation in USA is the norm in UK where the toll free numbers likely indicate you’re about to be harassed by a slimy sales person.

Pleasing them all… I am not sure where courtesy stops and ridiculing begins but I am all of a sudden more self-conscious about my choice of phone numbers.

You learn something new every day. Not necessarily useful…

10 Comments

Brian |

While I think this used to be the case years ago, I don’t think this applies so much now. If your targeting consumer business, most of them have cell phones that include nationwide long distance as do a good percentage of landline phones. For the businesses that still get charged by the call, most employees don’t give a thought to how much the phone bill is so it doesn’t matter what number they call.

For the businesses I call, I know I prefer their local number because in most cases it’s a direct line to the person I’m trying reach rather than having to go through IVR hell on the main line that does nothing more than get me frustrated. Just my $0.02.



HandyAndy |

Why does it surprise you that we do things the oppsite of the way they do in the UK? Isn’t that why our ancestors came over here in the first place? They didn’t like the way the folks over there did them and wanted to do it their own way.
Long live the Queen, but over there please :>)



Bill Quimby |

I have to disagree with Brian a little. The usage statistics don’t bear out his personal .02. There have been people suggesting that the cost of LD and the use of flat rate plans and cell phones means we won’t use toll free numbers any more. But the usage of toll free numbers, hasn’t dipped one bit and I think cell phones probably would have started to make at least a slight impact by now if they were going to.

The reality is that there are a lot of reasons why companies use toll free numbers besides the cost of the call. Big companies use them because it gives them more control, flexibility and more of a customer service oriented local feel. Small companies will always use them because big companies use them and like the post said, they’re necessary to look serious for anything in business today.

The fact that long distance costs so little, may mean you don’t think they are as necessary but it also means that the toll free service is cheaper too. This argument is kind of like the people who used to say that the phone was going to make the world less personal and that we would lose the ability to communicate face to face, or that faxes would eliminate snail mail or email would eliminate faxes or on and on.

You can’t get a local number that spells your name or your business name, but with a little effort you can find a much more memorable toll free vanity number with the lookup tool at our website. And a more memorable number will definitely increase the response rate to all of your advertising and have a huge return.

A toll free number also allows you to point the calls to your cell phone and then as your business grows, to point it to an office phone or a call center etc. If you published your local number you can’t control it like that. You also get a list of every call, with a toll free number, increased credibility and prestige, plus several other major benefits. See: http://www.tollfreenumbers.com/blogs/guide/bills-top-10-list.html

My business is basically the GoDaddy of the toll free world and I’ve helped tens of thousands of companies get memorable toll free numbers, so I guess I’m a little biased. But I’ll give anyone that mentions this blog VLADVILLE, in the coupon field at the checkout a 20% discount. That’s on regular activations within the next 6 months. Just come back and post your opinion. I don’t mean to sound like a commercial. But toll free numbers are great marketing tools and a good number can really make even the smallest part time home business look much more professional.

Bill Quimby
1-800 MARKETER
TollFreeNumbers.com



Ian Murphy |

I suspect much of this comes down to cost. Local calls were free for a long time in the US, toll free makes calls to companies cost the same. In the uk local rate numbers were very common 15 years ago – 0800 less so. The result is the same of the caller. Local rate.

With 0800 the reciever pays call costs – which by american standards were very high until 10 years ago all over europe.

Nowadays in the UK most big companies use 0800 for their customer service line, some tech support lines do the same, but not all. Use of local rate numbers is much more common – the caller pays the same regardless of where they call from.

In spain 800 numbers barely exist but use of numbers on which you actually earn commision is extremely common – including for support lines!

With the advent of free national call packages people more or less don’t care if the number is 800 or just a normal number – the cost is the same.

The american system of replacing numbers by letters has never taken off in europe, even with 001 800 – the international freephone system, I’m not sure why since it seems such a good idea, but I suspect that the lettering on keypads was never standardised – that and the presence of rotary dial telephones until 10-15 years back.

Ian



C. Vlad |

Bill Quimby posts spam – he is the slimy person behind the 800 numbers :P please don’t advertise on this blogosphere Tollfreenumbers.com, the page is nicer when it isn’t filled with spam. I appreciate the blogs article – it’s finely written and well said.



andyparkes |

We don’t even have a 0845 number and no-one sees it as a problem as far as i can tell

0800 and 0845 numbers can some be a pain in the neck in the UK

With my phone package (mobile phone or land line) i get a bundle of free minutes to use as i see fit

The problem is 0845 numbers don’t count and i get billed for it. So it actually pisses me off when i have to ring a number that is 0845 as it costs me extra money when i’ve already paid all that money out so i don’t need to worry about making calls

Also 0800 numbers are fine unless you’re calling from a mobile (cell) phone. They are free from land lines only so i have to pay for that too if I’m away from home



Betty Paterson |

I found that in the USA over 90% of businesses use toll free numbers, while in UK only about 9%. But I think UK market will grow more, though there some obstacles. I think in future 0800 numbers will be free of charge when you call from mobile. mobile operator should have agreements with toll free numbers operator s. For now what is good that they have agreements on diverting 0800 numbers to a UK mobile number (more here http://www.smart-numbers.net/) (eg. Orange, O2, Vodafone, T-Mobile) or an international number, though it takes longer than to a standard UK landline number.



timshaw |

Why is Bill Quimby – Owner of Tollfreenumbers.com Hiding and Being Deceitful?

I recently had a new client signup for our Identity services, while on the telephone with him he mentioned that he was recently conned out of $195 by a man named Bill Quimby. Being 77 years old, my client is quick to forgive because, and I quote.. he has “lived a long life and it’s too darn short to try to recoup your losses everytime you get scammed. Sometimes it’s best just to forget about it and move on.”

At the age of 52, I may be young compared this guy, but I disagree on his logic. If he is 77 years old getting scammed by Bill Quimby and he just forgets about it and moves on, it allows the scam to continue and propagate to other unsuspecting elders and youngsters.

I didn’t mention to my client that I was going to do a preliminary investigation on his behalf; after all, I have the know how to type in a few keystrokes and do a little more research on the subject of Bill Quimby.

I found out that Bill S. Quimby is the owner and proprietor of a website called Tollfreenumbers.com in addition to about 300 others. The first thing I noticed when I began this inquiry is the address that Bill Quimby uses:
2517 Route 44, Unit 11-222 / Salt Point, NY 12578

Quimby claims this to be his business address even mentioning that he is located in prestigious New York. After about two more keystrokes I was able to uncover that this address is actually another business that says they offer “Free drop off point for FedEx, UPS, DHL and US Mail”

So Quimby is using a false address to perpetrate his crimes against the elderly.

A quick free search on peoplesearch shows no record of any Bill Quimby or William Quimby ever living in New York. Then I remembered something my wife once told me, a quote from sex and the city.. “New Jersey is the armpit of New York” I wondered if he thinks NY is prestigious because he actually operates out of a preverbal arm pit (no offence Jersey folks.)

I repeated my peoplesearch using NJ as the state and sure enough, there is a Bill S Quimby living in Ramsey New Jersey Why do all the scams come out of New Jersey and Florida? I double checked and it is really him!

Bill Quimby’s REAL address is:
106 DARLINGTON AVE RAMSEY, NJ 07446

This is the motto of most scammers “Do not work where you live” in other words, don’t con people in your home town. So Quimby was smart and said he is from NY. Apparently he has been doing this in the shadows for over 10 years.

Googling this address reveals that Mr Quimby has used this address to register Quimby Enterprises where he runs a number of multi level marketing programs, one for Amway and some other pyramid schemes.

Bill S Quimby was born May 2 1966 to Hope and Jim Quimby.
Hope was born in New York. Met future husband James Quimby (Jim, from Wyckoff New Jersey) and got married and moved to Ramsey New Jersey. Had three sons and one daughter William S Quimby, Kenneth H Quimby, Karl Quimby, and Lisa Quimby. Lisa is a School Teacher in New Jersey (we can discuss that in another report)

I have also found a number of other website that are ran by Bill and his brothers Ken and Karl.

Read how Quimby Enterprises is fooling the Internal Revenue Service on his annual Tax Return and shorting the American tax payer on thousands of government dollars.

It appears that this family ran long con is soon to be gone.

Googling Bill Quimby reveals that he has admitted breaking the law over 1000 times per month. He actively seeks out people to buy his Long Distance phone services from him and then he slams (the scam) their phone bills. It is contrary to FCC laws to broker toll-free phone numbers. But Bill Quimby’s entire business is molded around doing just that, he sells phone numbers, over 1000 per month according to his website Tollfreenumbers.com. He even has a post on his blog where he asks his readers to answer this question: “Am I breaking the FCC law by selling toll free numbers for a fee?” He has about 5 comments on that post, all from his regular buyers, all saying that they buy a lot of phone numbers from Bill Quimby each month and he is not breaking the law. Another comment was from Bill Quimby himself saying that what he wrote is “pure brilliance” … talk about tooting your own horn. There is also a comment from one Gil Holloway – of vanity800tollfree.com. Gil admittedly buys desirable toll free numbers from Quimby regularly and then resells them for a fixed monthly fee on his website vanity800tollfree.com. This is just one stone in this pyramid scheme with Bill Quimby at the top.

I tracked down Bill Quimby’s phone number1-800-MARKETE (800-627-5383) and called him to discuss giving back my clients money. Quimby confirmed to me that he is selling toll free phone numbers for a fee ranging from $49.99 (self-serve) upto $4,999 depending on how valuable he determines your phone number to be. He told me that his phone number would cost $4,999 because of how great it is (1-800-MARKETER.) I advised him that I am an investigator representing my client and my phone call is an attempt to recoup my clients $195. Quimby immediately became hostile and said “If __clients_name__ wants his money so bad, he can just take me to court for it himself” he then rudely hung up the phone on me. I called back just to hear a recording that my phone number has been blocked from calling.

I called again from line two and Quimby answered again in a polite and friendly voice, but when he detected that it was me again he started yelling into the phone that his website “gets over 1,000,000 hits a month” and he has “a loyal group of followers” that read his blog and upon his command he can “instruct them to flood my business with calls rendering me inoperable” if I ever call back. He also said he is going to write a new blog about me using my name and company so that people searching the internet will find it and read bad things about me.

I told Quimby that I sent a registered letter to his New York address and it was returned to me as an undeliverable address, he responded that it was returned because he returned it to me himself because I have no business mailing him a letter without first obtaining verbal authorization to do so from Bill Quimby himself. Jokes on him, I never mailed a letter. This was his attempt to pretend that his New York address is real.

Quimby, besides having major legal problems now also suffers from severe emotional and mental distress. This is evident in the way he treated me and my client. Further evidence of this is the numerous reports filed with the Better Business Bereau and those listed on line (just google BILL QUIMBY) he has apparently tried to extort and slander many people on his blog in the past who cross paths with Quimby. He has even responded to some ripoffreports (ripoffreport.com) that some of his past ‘targets’ have filed against him, after reading his response and his hostility against his own ‘customers’ is obviously a disturbed man and possibly dangerous to himself and others. Violence may be this man’s next step if he has not done so already. Why is Bill Quimby still roaming the streets of New Jersey a free man?

If this con doesn’t sit well with you, please contact the Federal Communication Commission and let them know that Bill S Quimby of New Jersey is Selling and brokering toll-free numbers for a fee at his website Tollfreenumbers.com.

Federal Communications Commission
445 12th Street SW 1(888)CALL-FCC
Washington, DC 20554 1(888)225-5322

More googling on the Internet has cast a light on a much bigger version of this scam, here are other websites, the Quimby family uses to promote their money making scheme:

prepay800.com prepay800.com
vanitynumbers.com vanitynumbers.com
universalreservations.com universalreservations.com
calling-cards.com calling-cards.com
tollfreenumbers.com tollfreenumbers.com
instate800.com instate800.com
tollfreelinks.com tollfreelinks.com
800numbers.com 800numbers.com
phonenumbersthatmakemoney.com phonenumbersthatmakemoney.com
cellular800.com cellular800.com
international800.com international800.com
tollfreenumber.net tollfreenumber.net
2centsperminute.com 2centsperminute.com
referral.com referral.com
tollfreeworld.com tollfreeworld.com
canadian800.com canadian800.com
800marketer.com 800marketer.com
1800numbersearch.com 1800numbersearch.com
800bargains.com 800bargains.com
800marketers.com 800marketers.com
tollfreeonly.com tollfreeonly.com
tollfreevoicemail.com tollfreevoicemail.com
1800informer.com 1800informer.com
1centperminute.com 1centperminute.com
1800marketers.com 1800marketers.com
TelephoneArt.com TelephoneArt.com
1-800-my-logo.com 1-800-my-logo.com
1-800mylogo.com 1-800mylogo.com
1800mylogos.com 1800mylogos.com
1800namesfinder.com 1800namesfinder.com
1800netword.com 1800netword.com
1800news.com 1800news.com
1800newsletter.com 1800newsletter.com
1800novelty.com 1800novelty.com
1-800-number.com 1-800-number.com
1800-numbers.com 1800-numbers.com
1-800-numbers.net 1-800-numbers.net
1800office.com 1800office.com
1800ordernow.com 1800ordernow.com
1800owners.com 1800owners.com
1800phonebook.com 1800phonebook.com
8004referral.com 8004referral.com
8004referrals.com 8004referrals.com
800activation.com 800activation.com
800answering.com 800answering.com
800appraisal.com 800appraisal.com
800bicycle.com 800bicycle.com
800cardplus.com 800cardplus.com
800carloans.com 800carloans.com
800catalog.com 800catalog.com
800classified.com 800classified.com
800classifieds.com 800classifieds.com
800collect.com 800collect.com
800companies.com 800companies.com
800concrete.com 800concrete.com
800directions.com 800directions.com
800domaindirectory.com 800domaindirectory.com
800dialaword.com 800dialaword.com
800express.net 800express.net
800fashion.com 800fashion.com
800flatrate.com 800flatrate.com
800forum.com 800forum.com
800forums.com 800forums.com
800freeld.com 800freeld.com
800freshshrimp.com 800freshshrimp.com
800hearing.com 800hearing.com
800helzberg.com 800helzberg.com
800info.com 800info.com
800informationnow.com 800informationnow.com
800informer.com 800informer.com
800infotel.com 800infotel.com
800investigator.com 800investigator.com
800investigators.com 800investigators.com
800logos.com 800logos.com
800lookup.com 800lookup.com
800mentalhealth.com 800mentalhealth.com
800mylogo.com 800mylogo.com
800mylogos.com 800mylogos.com
800namesfinder.com 800namesfinder.com
800netword.com 800netword.com
800newsletter.com 800newsletter.com
800-numbers.com 800-numbers.com
800numbersearch.com 800numbersearch.com
800only.com 800only.com
800owners.com 800owners.com
800phonebook.com 800phonebook.com
800-phone-numbers.com 800-phone-numbers.com
800realdeal.com 800realdeal.com
800-referral.com 800-referral.com
800referral.com 800referral.com
800rentphone.com 800rentphone.com
800research.com 800research.com
800resources.com 800resources.com
800restaurant.com 800restaurant.com
800reverselookup.com 800reverselookup.com
800ringcentral.com 800ringcentral.com
800routing.com 800routing.com
800sale.com 800sale.com
800searching.com 800searching.com
800segways.com 800segways.com
800shopper.com 800shopper.com
800-service.com 800-service.com
800simpliphone.com 800simpliphone.com
800-services.com 800-services.com
800specials.com 800specials.com
800teledoc.com 800teledoc.com
800-tickets.com 800-tickets.com
800tollfreevanity.com 800tollfreevanity.com
800trademarksearch.com 800trademarksearch.com
800trading.com 800trading.com
800trimking.com 800trimking.com
800vanitynumber.com 800vanitynumber.com
800watch.com 800watch.com
800watchlist.com 800watchlist.com
800weblogo.com 800weblogo.com
800weblogos.com 800weblogos.com
800wedings.com 800wedings.com
tollfree800directory.com tollfree800directory.com
tollfreeassistance.com tollfreeassistance.com
tollfreebies.com tollfreebies.com
tollfreecelluar.com tollfreecelluar.com
tollfreecommerce.com tollfreecommerce.com
tollfreedirectory.net tollfreedirectory.net
tollfreedomain.com tollfreedomain.com
tollfreedomainnames.com tollfreedomainnames.com
toll-free-domains.com toll-free-domains.com
toll-free-express.com toll-free-express.com
tollfreeforum.com tollfreeforum.com
tollfreeforums.com tollfreeforums.com
tollfreeguide.com tollfreeguide.com
tollfreelink.com tollfreelink.com
tollfreelocator.com tollfreelocator.com
tollfreelookup.com tollfreelookup.com
tollfreemall.com tollfreemall.com
tollfreenews.com tollfreenews.com
tollfree-numbers.com tollfree-numbers.com
tollfreeoption.com tollfreeoption.com
tollfreeoptions.com tollfreeoptions.com
tollfreeoptions.net tollfreeoptions.net
tollfreeproviders.com tollfreeproviders.com
tollfreerates.com tollfreerates.com
tollfreeshopping.com tollfreeshopping.com
tollfreetool.com tollfreetool.com
tollfreetrace.com tollfreetrace.com
tollfreewireless.com tollfreewireless.com
tollfreeyellowpage.com tollfreeyellowpage.com
tollfreetools.com tollfreetools.com
tollfreewatch.com tollfreewatch.com
tollfreewatchlist.com tollfreewatchlist.com
toll-less.com toll-less.com



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